Re: the Star Wars mega-thread421
LOL. TLJ was fucking fantastic.
Watched SOLO this afternoon. Can't really disagree with any of this.darkness wrote:Solo wasn't too bad. It's a good heist film. It's not really a Star Wars film, but if you take it as it's own thing it's enjoyable. I was happy they didn't overindulge the nostalgia like they did with Rogue One. Sure, they still deemed it necessary to hit just about every beat of something Han said once in a film (winning the Falcon, the Kessel Run, the gangster on Tatooine with a big job, and so on).
The Last Jedi was the film the series needed, but it could have been executed a lot better. They needed to move on and stop relying so much on the past. I was glad to see where the series went. The narrative of the film itself had some pretty poor pacing issues though, and some shit that just didn't make any sense. But I give them props for trying. At least it wasn't a retread designed to give fanboy's hardons like Force Awakens and especially Rogue One.
We've all got bills to pay._Marcus_ wrote:... Werner fucking Herzog?
this was (and should have stayed) a trilogy about rey and kylo. if someone felt like this had to be "wrapping up the entire saga", they shouldn't have bothered with new main characters at all. just bring everyone back and have new "helper" characters. it's the fact that they felt the need to completely abandon all the character development RJ advanced on TLJ to simply do exactly as you said that made it an utter failure for me. "hey, forget about all the plot lines and characters that had been established already, those people are going to act way out of character anyway and do things that are in direct opposition to existing plot threads. everyone is just here to serve you lando and tatooine (examples), they aren't real. hey, remember that asteroid belt scene? check THIS out! hey, remember how finn and rose had a whole thing? well that was so TLJ, which we don't want you to remember, so here's this new girl! finn doesn't even look for or hug rose when we 'win' now. hey, remember the floppy-eared horse things from TLJ? well, we're here to completely oppose TLJ in every way so here's some new, completely different horse things!" fucking ridiculous. the more i think about it, the more i hate it.darkness wrote:He didn't have a lot of places to go, considering this was supposed to be wrapping up not only the trilogy but the entire saga.
i had to stop reading after this:big d note wrote:I still don't see what you like so much about TLJ, but to each their own. I really agree with this guy's reviews of both TLJ and the new one:
https://www.salon.com/2019/12/20/star-w ... tting-end/
https://www.salon.com/2018/07/12/toxic- ... last-jedi/
"classical approach"? TFA was a straight remake of ANH. they had the opportunity to play in lucas' toybox and build new things in it, and gave us exactly what we had already seen. i gave that one a bit of a pass, as it felt more like an apology for the prequels than its own film. then RJ shows up and actually does bring new approaches to the franchise, and crazy things like character development and a new story. it laid the groundwork perfectly for a conclusion that we hadn't seen before. but everyone, like this fucking jerkoff, whined online because it threw their beloved religion out the window and did something new (like this whole thing should have been from the beginning) so JJ swooped in and gave us a film that somehow had more memberberrries than i knew could be crammed into one film. he clearly had a 78-page checklist of beats they had to hit, story or characters be damned. it's going to conclude exactly like everyone expected/knew it would, everything is going to be very expected, etc. RJ made a film about duality in people and reminded us that the SW universe was built by and and inhabited by people. JJ went right back to this huge, larger than life archetype (literally, he couldn't think of anything so he brought back ) that serves no purpose other than to give familiar characters something familiar to do.Watching "The Rise of Skywalker," I couldn't shake the sense that director J. J. Abrams, his co-screenwriter Chris Terrio and their co-storytellers Derek Connolly and Colin Trevorrow were working to undo the damage wrought by "The Last Jedi," which is why that film has to be mentioned quite a bit in this review. (There is more than speculation going on here, as both Abrams and Ridley have criticized that movie.) When you view this film directly after "The Force Awakens" and "The Last Jedi," you feel like you've watched a three-act play in which the second act was crafted by an artist with a drastically different vision than the ones who wrote Act One and Act Three. That makes sense, given that J. J. Abrams also directed "The Force Awakens" while Rian Johnson wrote and directed "The Last Jedi." Overall it gives the "Star Wars" sequel trilogy a weirdly inconsistent tone, jumping from classical storytelling to meandering subversiveness, and then back to a classical approach.
oh, right - got it. if you liked TLJ, you're a racist. here's our apology movie. yes i realize that's not what he's saying, but it's clearly the implication.I also think the people who have been harassing Kelly Marie Tran, John Boyega, Rian Johnson and other creative individuals who helped make "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" are racist, sexist and all-around deplorable human beings (and I use the term "deplorable" quite deliberately here).
these are movie characters, they can't possibly change as they get older, or be deeply, traumatically affected by what they went through in previous films. got it.The problem with "The Last Jedi" is that it doesn't logically connect everything we saw from the previous movies with what happens in this one. As Mark Hamill himself pointed out, Luke Skywalker's (Hamill) abandonment of his belief in Jedi teachings directly contradicts his personality and actions from the original trilogy, and the backstory filled in here to explain his sudden turn is delivered in startlingly brief monologues instead of scenes that actually flesh out the character dilemmas they're meant to reveal.