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So anything that’s not George Lucas is fan fic? I don’t disagree, just trying to align the statement. But the fact is, GL started fucking things up almost immediately, too. By the time we got ROTJ, we got talking, fighting teddy bears. Then the prequels, which are at least 75% yikes. At least in the sequel trilogy, we got one great film and one ok film (that was essentially just a remake of ANH). Rogue One was really good, Solo was ok if you just think about it as a heist film that happens to take place in SW world. Mandalorian was really good, haven’t watched BOBF yet. If they have a show runner that can find directors who want to play in the SW sandbox but bring new ideas, then trust them to do so and get out of their way and ignore the fucking internet, it can work out great (see: TLJ). The second you start pandering to fanboys and letting outsiders change the direction of vision, it turns to fucking garbage (see: ROS).

My point is, fan fic can be good. Of course, it can also be shit. But so can Lucas, so we are where we are.

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The Ewoks are weak in ROTJ, but tolerable and the parts with Vader, Luke and the Empire are some of the best scenes of the trilogy. The Jabba part is a great action piece. I won't try to say ROTJ is Empire Strikes Back quality, but I will defend it and still say it's the their best Star Wars film.
The prequels all have bits here and there that have their merits. And more importantly they still feel like they're a part of the same film series.
The Disney stuff all has a completely different feel about it. They just don't seem like they're connected, even with a few characters here and there in common. Also episodes 1-6 tell a complete arc: The rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Once you get outside that story arc it's just throwing random shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. TFA is just ANH again. TLJ was a good idea horribly executed that is a narrative mess. ROS is the cinematic equivalent of when your car slips on ice but instead of turning into the skid you jerk the wheel in the opposite direction and end up going off a cliff. Rogue One is Star Wars nostalgia bukaki. Solo isn't an awful heist film, except when it's trying to tie itself back into things we've heard about from other films. Which kind of goes to my point. Mandalorian has it's moments and probably feels the most like Star Wars to me. BOBF doesn't know what the hell it wants to be except when it's being the Mandalorian. It completely ruined the character of Boba Fett.
Just cut them up like regular chickens

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darkness wrote: 12/03/22, 16:44:42 It completely ruined the character of Boba Fett.
That’s what i was worried about the moment I saw the trailer. Like when they decided to make Aeon Flux talk. That’s what I’ve delayed starting the show. I’m very anxious about it. I want it to be good so badly, but what SW fan was screaming that we need to humanize Boba Fett? Seems like a colossally bad idea. Even the taste of that we got in Mando was a little much.

As for the rest of that, yes the parts that are great from ROTJ are really fucking great. But the parts that aren’t make sure it’s not the best SW film. That’s ESB, followed closely by TLJ, so clearly i don’t share your sentiments there. Granted, I haven’t re-watched TLJ since the first two times, but it was very clear back then to me. Very much agreed on the last one, and great analogy, except there was no skid, only precision driving on a difficult course that most people just couldn’t handle lol.

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Lol. The first SW is the best by a country mile. It's the only one with Alec Guinness, for a start. And of course it's the origin of the whole thing, the real moment of inspiration. Even in ESB you can feel Lucas scrabbling, revising characters to enlarge the story and make more money.

I started watching the prequel trilogy again when I was isolating last month - hadn't seen it since the original release. Phantom Menace has its flaws but is actually fairly decent all in all. However, I'd forgotten or perhaps hadn't realised at the time just how truly awful Attack of the Clones really is, especially in terms of script and performance. I think I was more focused back then on the godawful CGIfest, which is actually less distracting now, being par for the course in any such movie these days (Lucas was certainly ahead of his time). Anyway, I couldn't make it to the end and therefore never got to revisit ROTS, which I remember thinking was the worst of the three.

Of the Disney films, Solo is the best I think. Probably thanks to Ron Howard. I enjoyed TFA when it came out (haven't seen it since) but unfortunately it's a road that doesn't lead anywhere. Mandalorian was pretty decent. They owe Werner Herzog a debt for making them stick to a puppet Grogu. Unfortunately not a message they took to heart with all the CGI Lukes and whatnot that appear in later episodes. And yeah, that Bobba Fett series was pointless, wasn't it.

Not going to happen of course, but it would be wonderful if they could just put Star Wars to bed at this point, alongside Marvel, which is also starting to feel tired. At this rate we're going to end up like the Ancient Egyptians with only a small canon of stories allowed to be told, over and over again, for 3,000 years...

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As far as the crapfest of TLJ goes, I'll just refer to my previous rant on it: viewtopic.php?p=51456#p51456 :D

Boba Fett was so uneven and overall unsatisfying. Please keep Robert Rodriguez away from Star Wars. Most of the worst parts like the Mods on their scooters seemed to come from him. I was rooting for all the Mods to die in the end.

Hoping that Kenobi is closer to Mandalorian in quality and storytelling.

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One of my biggest annoyances with TLJ is that too many plot elements rely on shitty sitcom story telling. Person X overhears thing Y and incorrectly assumes Z, and hilarity ensues. If your movie is taking its writing notes from episodes of Three's Company, that should signal there's a problem. There are also too many side plots that never pay off, like the whole casino thing. Even the Rey and Luke stuff ends up being kind of pointless to the whole story. It's not even Rey who convinces Luke to help out at the end but fucking Yoda after showing up for all of 3 minutes. And what they did to Luke's character is reprehensible. Though BOBF kind of makes him look like an ass too, so I guess Disney just hates Luke Skywalker.

I liked the idea of leaving behind Star Wars nostalgia and pushing forward with the future. I liked the idea of Leia having more of a role in the story. There was certainly no shortage of talent in the cast with Laura Dern and Benicio del Toro. This could have gone so right but instead Rian Johnson shit the bed completely with the script.

If I had been planning out the arc for the sequel trilogy, I would have had Luke, Han and Leia all together in the first film. Maybe one of them gets killed off. But that should have been the nostalgia shot while introducing the new characters. Then let the newbies slowly take over from the originals in the second film. By the third film they're front and center and the original cast is only there briefly in the background, if not dead. You've successfully handed things off and built a foundation for the next series of films. But it's clear Disney didn't plan shit.
Just cut them up like regular chickens

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I think that was pretty clearly the plan, but after fanboys sobbed loudly online post-TLJ, Disney completely abandoned any in-progress plot arcs and the very obvious redemption story Rian expertly set up to appease whatever was happening on the web. I think the casino was setting up something in the third film, but we’ll never know. They also abandoned Rian’s excellent tag at the end, where the “hope” was that anyone can be a jedi. Kids would have loved where that was going, and SW loves nothing more than kids’ parents, who have wallets. But even that wasn’t enough, they took notes from their focus group called “the internet”, where whomever is loudest (often least right) wins. So hope you guys loved Rise Of Skywalker: Revenge Of The Internet or whatever that pile of fucking shit was called.

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binged this whole thing yesterday. it was really quite enjoyable, minus maybe one episode which was a little slow. a zillion times better than boba fett. man it was good to see vader actually kicking ass, being very agile and dark as fuck. dug this show.