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Postby lilysum on 28/11/06, 03:37:14

I don't really mind if you ban me .... wow if you do that I will have succeeded in being more offensive than Tommie's little porn flick.

PS: I like the feeling of pee-pee up my pooper-chute!
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Postby TC on 28/11/06, 08:07:48

if you honestly think that's a porn flick, you need greater exposure to actual porn.

and no one is banning you, they're just joking around. i think we're big enough to handle opposing opinions here. besides, you're simply just too amusing. that being said, i have no problem bidding you farewell if Mr. Clay has had enough.
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Postby lilysum on 30/11/06, 11:03:52

I am always keen for more exposure....can I keep my thong on though?
Are you going to add any more witty post scripts to my post this time or shall I just let you guys slither about happily in your lube until you make union in a multi hermaphrodite ecstacy?

But seriously I would have a lot more respect for Mr Clay if he could offer some kind of explanation as to why he needed to use an unecessarily graphic gang rape to put across his muddled ideas about the inherent violence within us all.
People flip out and do crazy stuff all the time, there are numerous cases daily in the tabloids, the purveyors of fear and loathing.
The finale rape scene in tgerc is totally cringeworthy, the dialogue, the exposition, the immature content ruined the film for me. Where did Tommie do his research? Watching "I spit on your Grave" and "Creep?" omgfh, both these b movie nightmares are better than tgerc cos they have hilariously funny endings.
The earlier scene in the flat where we don't see the actual attack on that girl is really quite gritty, so why?????
Why ruin a potentially good film with such a crass load of bull...it's like the ending of Ma Soeur, I didn't get any more out of the film by seeing the little girl boned, the deaths and the knowledge that she had lost her virginity to someone who didn't love her hit home well enough.

Clay has shown this film at Cannes/Edinburgh and others. What an opportunity! A success could have given young British indie film makers a real boost. Producing a realistic gritty look at life for the struggling young people in grimland is a great concept, but instead Clay jacks off all over his own work.
In fact that's all I can conclude, talking to others on imdb it seems the rape at the end of the film has gained far more publicity that the film itself.

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Here is a link that has been posted all over imdb...maybe by one of you "Clayboys" http://perhapsinothersite.blogspot.com/2006_11_05_perhapsinothersite_archive.html

These stills certainly could be mistaken for hardcore sadistic porn, although the guys don't have decent dongs do they?
It doesn't do the director or any of the cast much good to have these images posted around the internet for sexual titillation, which, as you can see from this blog is the case.


So if I am not banned and I'm actually quite annoyed about that, can Tommie please explain why rape and not any other violent crime?
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Postby TC on 30/11/06, 12:26:23

why does any filmmaker "need" to do any scene? that's a ludicrous question and one no artist should ever answer. he has no need to defend himself to an audience that isn't into his work.
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Postby lilysum on 12/12/06, 00:38:44

If we were talking about "art" I might accept your answer; but even artists like to talk about their work and why they were inspired to make the work they produce.

Mr Clay talks about the selfishness of life; is he so selfish he believes in rights but not responsibilities?

You say an "artist" has the right to remain silent about his choice of scene and the content of such excessive, misogynistic violence...fair enough, then surely he also has responsibilities to explain and justify his choices. After all it was public funding that paid for his "art"...

That is unless he actually has no idea why he did this scene other than to court controversy...and as he has to send his cohorts to defend his flick this must be the case.
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Postby O-dot on 12/12/06, 01:02:20

lilysum wrote:That is unless he actually has no idea why he did this scene other than to court controversy...and as he has to send his cohorts to defend his flick this must be the case.


It's hilarious, this notion that Clay has such power over us "cohorts" and "Clayboys" that he can "send" us to defend his movie. You really have no idea what you're talking about, especially with this group. We've been at each other's throats for almost a decade now.

All your talk about "responsibility" is really code language for censorship.
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Postby lilysum on 20/12/06, 09:34:32

Responsibility=code 4 censorship, duh, how d'ya work that out?
Responsibility means the artist is willing to face up to the controversy which surrounds their work and (in this case) is willing to explain his motivation for such an unnecessarily violent, depraved ending to his film. If you make a challenging statement, have the balls to justify it.
Why do you assume I am pro censorship? I didn't ask for cuts to be made to the film.
I am simply anti jumped-up film makers like Clay who pretend to make meaningful films but only succeed in giving the public more reason to despise new young film makers who go for notoriety or shock factor.
TGERC even got mentioned in the Guardian as worst ad 4 UK...this on top of Euro sceptics trying to argue that the British film industry should not receive Govt funding.

I may have arrived a decade too late for you old film guffs but I believe film making should be constructive, especially in this era of mass communication.
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Postby TC on 20/12/06, 09:53:06

is life really about feel-good films? i think it hits home a reality that many are sheltered from and perhaps gives them a peek into a place they would rather not see in themselves, not to mention the wartime commentary therein.

i plan on rewatching it again very soon. i'll try to imagine an ending where robert gets first chair in the LPO and buys a mansion, if that makes you feel better.
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Postby Draesk on 20/12/06, 11:29:34

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I think we get it; the populous here like it and you don't. I strongly doubt that we are going to arrive at any amicable agreement on anything here, and you are hardly being constructive with what you are putting forward. You sound like a broken record simply trying to take personal shots at Mr Clay.

You have a differing view from the majority here and I respect that. What I do not respect, however, is the way that you are putting this forth and the personal jibes you are making. It is getting old very quickly.

For the record. I am hardly a film buff or old. I'm a music elitist by past-trade, but I really don't care much for movies. I like a lot of the cheesy action stuff. Furthermore, I have not seen Mr Clay's movie nor do I really care to. Klimov and I hardly see eye-to-eye, and I'm not a fan of obscure movies, but your conduct here is making you very unwelcome. Proceed with care.

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Postby O-dot on 20/12/06, 12:30:18

lilysum wrote:Responsibility means the artist is willing to face up to the controversy which surrounds their work and (in this case) is willing to explain his motivation for such an unnecessarily violent, depraved ending to his film. If you make a challenging statement, have the balls to justify it.


You just proved my point. You only want Clay to make a movie on your terms, and then "explain his motivation" afterward and "have the balls to justify it." That has nothing to do with art.

For over two months you've been worked up over a movie you supposedly hate. The horse is dead, get off it.
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Postby hop the pop on 20/12/06, 14:07:57

Also I think Mr. Clay has defended his film more than enough. And no, there is no obligation for him to do so. Artists have to justify their work? No mister.

I guess we all like Lynch's stuff a lot here, or at least most of us. Does he have a lot of violence in his films? Yes. Does he ever justify or explain his work? No.

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Postby chainsaw on 24/12/06, 10:00:38

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Postby klimov on 30/12/06, 14:42:27

if you need help understanding the film I would suggest you buy the dvd and watch the accompanying interview / featurette...
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Postby TC on 31/12/06, 09:05:45

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This film really is a load of old crap -- the director is a dilettante. There was a time in the 1980s when Tartan had taste, now they release turd like this and market it as cutting-edge new British cinema.

lol.

so i'm guessing this is R2 and PAL? :cry:
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Postby lilysum on 02/01/07, 08:37:55

Lynch is GREAT and he always has reasons and motivations for his films, idiot.

DVD Times quote...

I guess other people hate Clay's film too kekekekeke


Yes the horse is dead...I guess I'm just too nice a person to say it's a shame that doesn't also apply to Clay.
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Postby TC on 02/01/07, 09:26:01

death threats are a no-no. one more slip up and you're banned.
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Postby Draesk on 02/01/07, 10:24:57

TC wrote:one more slip up and you're banned.


Hmph. The Christmas spirit has got to you.
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Postby _Marcus_ on 03/01/07, 16:57:47

klimov wrote:if you need help understanding the film I would suggest you buy the dvd and watch the accompanying interview / featurette...


Btw, were you aware of the fact that there's a DVDrip of your film out there, making the usual filesharing-rounds?
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Postby klimov on 03/01/07, 21:09:23

There is? That's good to know :) I wonder who leaked it... I was quite disappointed when I couldn't find it on the streets of Bangkok...
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Postby _Marcus_ on 04/01/07, 03:35:49

klimov wrote:There is? That's good to know :) I wonder who leaked it... I was quite disappointed when I couldn't find it on the streets of Bangkok...


Heheh, I can imagine :D

Anyways, the name of the "release" is The.Great.Ecstasy.of.Robert.Carmichael.2005.DVDRip.Xvid-NANT if you wanna look it up. There's probably some sort of .nfo-file with that release that explains who ripped it etc.
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