Bill to legalize, tax pot in CA gets hearing

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Sacramento Bee wrote:Bill to legalize, tax marijuana in California gets a hearing

Legislation to make California the first state to legalize marijuana for recreational use lit up a Capitol committee hearing Wednesday with three hours of lively but mellow debate.

No joint consensus was reached.

Dozens of people crammed into the Assembly Public Safety Committee session to discuss potential impacts of the proposal to allow pot to be taxed and sold openly to adults 21 and older.

Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, a San Francisco Democrat who proposed the measure, Assembly Bill 390, contends it could generate much-needed revenue and free peace officers to focus on worse crimes.

"Prohibition results in chaos, which is pretty much the situation we have now," Ammiano said shortly before the hearing.

But John Standish, president of the California Peace Officers' Association, testified that approving public pot use could exacerbate problems from illnesses to absenteeism.

"There is no way marijuana could protect and promote our society," he said. "In fact, it radically diminishes it."

Phillip Smith, 55, described himself as a pot smoker who otherwise abides by the law.

"All I want is to be left alone," he said.

Medical marijuana use already is legal in California, but not recreational use. More than 78,500 people were arrested in 2008 on pot-related offenses, state records show.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has taken no position on AB 390.

"He opposes the legalization of marijuana, but he believes we should have a robust debate on the issue, not only in fiscal terms but also with regard to health care and public safety," spokesman Aaron McLear said.

Marijuana supporters, law enforcement officials, legal experts and others sparred Wednesday over the wisdom of decriminalization and the parameters of state discretion in allowing sale of a drug prohibited under federal law.

Testimony revealed layers of complexity.

Attorney Tamar Todd of the Drug Policy Alliance Network testified that nothing bars the state from decriminalizing pot, for example, while Attorney Marty Mayer of the California Peace Officers' Association countered that doing so would not prevent prosecution under federal law.

Assemblyman Curt Hagman, R-Chino Hills, suggested the taxing scheme could fall apart because retailers filing records of marijuana sales might incriminate themselves on a federal offense. "You can't force me to incriminate myself," Hagman said.

Supporters of AB 390 countered that medicinal marijuana dispensaries pay state taxes, despite the federal pot ban, a fact confirmed later Wednesday by the Board of Equalization.

Equally hazy Wednesday was potential revenue that could be raised through a $50-per-ounce excise tax, sales taxes and seller fees.

The Board of Equalization has estimated that marijuana sales could generate nearly $1.4 billion annually, a figure that has been hotly contested.

Robert Ingenito, a BOE administrator, conceded Wednesday that the estimate depends on numerous assumptions, none backed by hard data. They range from market demand to extent of consumption, and from impact on street prices to potential reduction in taxable alcohol sales.

"This is an imperfect exercise," he said.

Ammiano plans to push AB 390 when the Legislature reconvenes in January.
wow, this is pretty incredible that they're broaching this subject. finally. far less dangerous than tobacco and alcohol, and the reason behind its prohibition is an absolute joke. beyond time for this. will be interesting to hear how the discussions go.

nice puns there in the first couple sentences, btw.

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Can you hear me cheering, cuz I am. This is great news. I never thought I'd see recreational herb legalized in my lifetime. Still got my fingers crossed though. The prohibitionists still have too much support amongst the (ignorant) public. I'm looking forward to the improvement in overall bud quality that decriminalization will bring. There just won't be any market for schwagg anymore.

If I had a turntable, I'd totally be listening to the Exit-13 seven-inch i just found in my closet yesterday........

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MOTHERFUCKER. I just saw that bit about a 50$/OZ tax........that's a little extreme. I was hoping that market forces and competition would drive prices down.......hrm.
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TC wrote:can't really be angry until you find out what they envision the price structure to be.
Yeah, got a point there Mr. Voice of Reason. It's just that marijuana prohibition is one of the few issues that really gets on my tits....... I'm also seriously sleep-deprived which tends to make me a little (extra) cranky. 3 guesses why I haven't been sleeping well......
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Walk without rhythm and you're a strider of deserts...

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But John Standish, president of the California Peace Officers' Association, testified that approving public pot use could exacerbate problems from illnesses to absenteeism.
Holy shit, shut the fuck up you ignorant cunt. Alcohol is a hundred times worse for this.

I get the feeling that a large percentage of the people that object this do so only because "change = baaaaaad". This is an issue that pisses me off too - having medical pot legalized in this country would make my life so much better (read: less painful), not to mention that pot is FAR safer and less addictive than some of the shit I'm being prescribed now. But no, it's illegal thanks to the majority of those with a loud enough voice being seriously ignorant shit-stains.

If you want to live your life as an ignorant prick with your head up your arse, that's fine by me. Just don't impose the end result of your fucking retarded personal views on me you gigantic faggot.

I wish these worthless wastes of oxygen would collectively jump off a cliff and let the rest of us get on with our own lives.

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I am all about getting rid of victimless crimes (recreational drug use). Putting pot out in the open would get rid of a lot of the more unsavory aspects of its use. Plus they could stop saying that shit that buying weed = funding terror. they will have to change it to buying weed = throwing more money at that god forsaken state.